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Bad brains - I against I

Discussion dans 'MUSIQUE INTERNATIONALE' créé par ramoca, 9 Novembre 2008.

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  1. ramoca

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    BAD BRAINS N'A PAS SA PLACE ICI!!!

    (voir les derniers messages postés sur la deuxième page)
     
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  2. old seb

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    Exellent! un pur groupe les bad brains,ça fait plaisir de les voir ici!
     
  3. bootboy Plume

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    Ils sont quand même rastas radicaux et donc homophobes

    ils se sont d' ailleurs frités avec les Oï POLLOï pour ça !!
     
  4. old seb

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    ho non plume!pas toi,tu vas t'y mettre aussi!c'est les peres du hardcore avant eux persone n'avait joué aussi vite c'est ce qui en fait un putain de groupe mythique!:ecouteurs:
     
  5. bootboy Plume

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    j' adore les Bad Brains mais vu la logique du forum allons jusqu' au bout de la connerie !
     
  6. ivo

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    je suis heureux de connaitre ton point de vue...
     
  7. ramoca

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    Vous faites ce que vous voulez avec, moi je continue à écouter:)
     
  8. old seb

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    putain c'est clair que j'vais continué a ecouter!!
     
  9. tetsuo

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    les rastas homophobes? t'es sur
    dans le dancehall c'est sur (sizzla par exemple) mais dans le reggae pas sur meme s'il doit y en avoir
     
  10. anarchOi

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    ah parce que c'est une connerie?

    pffff, c'est décourageant de voir des gens qui, en plus d'avoir aussi peu de principes, méprisent et ridiculisent aussi ceux qui sont les plus important.

    tu sais, si tu cherche un forum sans "logique", y'a un forum d'apos ambigue nommé Punx&Skins où tu te fonderais super bien avec la majorité je-men-foutiste là bas....


    Sinon, à propos de l'homophobie, si cette histoire est vraiment vraie, je vais retirer le groupe, mais je souhaiterait d'abord avoir une preuve plus concrète.... C'est la première fois que j'entends parler de cette histoire, j'aimerais savoir d'où proviennent les sources...
     
  11. tetsuo

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    les bad brains sont effectivement homophobes ils ont fait plusieurs interview dans lesquelles ils tenaient des propos de la sorte
    trouver sur wikipedia
    There have been many charges of homophobia directed at Bad Brains which caused controversy in the mostly politically left-wing punk and hardcore scene. The homophobic stance seemed at odds with the prevailing spirit against prejudice, racism, homophobia, et cetera, and with Bad Brains own call for unity. This has been attributed to the increasing influence of Rastafarian religious beliefs in their lives[10], but there is controversy about whether or not Rastafari is itself inherently homophobic. As bassist Darryl Jennifer pointed out in a 2007 interview, "In Rastafari and even in Christianity, they disagree with homosexuality. That’s a known fact."[11]. In the same interview, he also distanced himself from his earlier homophobic statements, saying "So the point being here, when we first were discovering Rastafari – like any young men or any young women getting into anything – you’re overzealous. Back in 1988, I might have been saying, “Fire burn…” I’m 25 years old! You’ve got to understand that I’m a young man growing, getting into something. Now I’m 46 years old and I’ve learned that that’s ignorant. I’ve learned through the years that we’re all God’s children, regardless of your race, creed, color, sexuality, any of that."[11], although it is unclear if the rest of the band shares his change of heart.


    [edit] 1982 Flipside Interview
    In a 1982 interview with Flipside Fanzine, in issue #31, H.R. made a few homophobic remarks near the start of the interview. He said San Francisco (where they had just played some shows) had "...too many faggots" and said that "...most of them (homosexuals) act so crazy even out in public, it disturbs me, makes me want to go and shoot one of them.". Link To PDF of article [12][13]


    [edit] Confrontation with Big Boys & MDC
    During a 1982 tour, Bad Brains played in Austin, TX with local band Big Boys, whose singer Randy Turner was homosexual. They also incurred a debt to Turner, with some sources indicating the debt was from loaning Bad Brains money[10][14], others indicating the debt was from Turner buying the band marijuana.[15] When H.R. learned that Turner was homosexual, an argument erupted, with a particularly heated exchange between H.R. and MDC singer Dave Dictor, who is also homosexual, leading to Bad Brains leaving Austin without repaying their debt to Turner and instead leaving a note that allegedly read "burn in hell, bloodclot faggot"[10][15][16] and vandalizing Turner's house[15]. Big Boys seemed to gloss over the incident; in an interview after the incident in Suburban Punk #7 they refuse to discuss the issue and refer to Bad Brains as "...one of the best live bands I've ever seen"[17]. MDC on the other hand referred to the incident often in interviews and even wrote a song about it called "Pay To Come Along"[15][16]. Ironically, in November 2008, the Bad Brains will be playing Fun, Fun, Fun Fest in Austin, Tx, named after the Big Boys song.


    [edit] 1982 Forced Exposure Interview
    In a 1982 interview with Forced Exposure Fanzine, in issue #2, there was a discussion with H.R. about changes in the band (becoming a reggae band and abandoning Punk Rock, moving out from the city to "the land", becoming "survivalists"). When asked about what lead to the final decision to make these changes, H.R. responded "I guess the final decision was made about a couple months ago, halfway through the tour when we went out to California and we saw all the faggots and we went to Texas and seen all the punk rock bands. Out there the in thing was being gay and all the hardcore bands were gay. That was the last straw, I couldn't take no more. I had to say somebody got to go out there and show the youth the truth, man."[18]


    [edit] "Don't Blow Bubbles"
    On the 1989 Quickness album, a song titled "Don't Blow Bubbles" had lyrics that were generally interpreted as being homophobic and suggesting that AIDS was God's cure for homosexuality. When asked about the song, guitarist Dr. Know said that "We wrote that song as kind of an angry warning to homosexuals. We didn't really mean to insult them, but a lot of people we knew seemed to be living with their eyes closed."[19]. In a 2007 interview where bassist Darryl Jennifer called their previous homophobic views "ignorant" he was asked about the song and the furor over the lyrics and replied "They don’t understand that we’ve grown. Just like anyone, I’m not ashamed to say, 'Maybe I could have been...' Damn right, I was a homophobe! I shouldn’t have to explain that to the world because everyone will do that. That’s wisdom. You have to grow to be wise."[11]
     
  12. anarchOi

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    Merci pour les précisions.

    Donc non seulement ils sont homophobes, mais ils justifient leur homophobie par une endoctrination dans des croyances religieuses proche du christianisme..

    ce genre de connerie n'a rien a voir sur un forum antifa radical.
     
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