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Crass vs Conflict

Discussion dans 'Musique, scène punk et skinhead' créé par anarchOi, 19 Octobre 2010.

  1. anarchOi

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    Crass s'enfoncent de plus en plus.... Après avoir réglé leurs problèmes entre ex-membres de crass devant les tribunaux et après avoir sortit des remasters pour 10 fois le prix d'origine, voici maintenant la guerre entre Crass et Conflict concernant les droits d'auteurs de Steve Ignorant et Southern Records sur les reprises de Crass par Conflict

    Voici une lettre de Colin Jerwood (chanteur de conflict) à Steve Ignorant de Crass.

    À lire aussi sur Crass:
    http://www.pirate-punk.net/message.php?t=15568



    Colin Jerwood:

    Hello Steve,
    I don’t know weather to laugh or cry, I can’t take in the article in your book that someone has sent me today. You, of all people actually believe that I did this? I can only think that someone has got to you or the darker forc...es that use mind control to separate and weaken us are at work. I have never gone into any detail about this as not for one second did I think you would believe it and couldn’t give a toss what the rest of them or southern think. Now although I don’t want to I have to explain what happened so here it is. The first I heard of this crap is when Cherry reds matt emailed me to say Southern had been in touch saying they own the CRASS songs that Conflict covered on the mortarhate releases and that I don’t and therefore want accounting too for the releases, my response was of course I don’t own the CRASS songs they do and yes southern probably do (knowing southern own the Crass label) and so yes account to them. I presumed at the time that this was just like the way Southern/Crass had taught me how to account where all the income is paid as a mechanical royalties (I adopted this throughout my entire time at jungle and never known different). Crass songs released on Mortarhate, southern want some royalty’s makes sense, end of in my eyes and all fair. Then a while latter I get sent snippets from the Sothern Forum that show Alison accusing me of stealing crass songs and tens of thousands of pounds income from you and so forth(I think the figure that was collected by mistake was more like £250 and was repaid in full immediately). In honesty I don’t go on Sothern’s forum as it disinterests me and I would probably upset the apple cart as I would have to comment at the hypocrisy that exists within that place. I ignored it Alison hates Conflict and Southern never have been keen and of course this hit an all time high when I put myself and conflict up in releasing the statement of support for YOU when Alison and co were hammering you for doing the bush empire gathering. As far as I was concerned (the way it was left last time I saw you) was southern were bastards for poking their nose in and SO was Penny and some of the others for trying to stop you. So it came as no surprise when the next thing I hear is that penny is now spouting off that I have stole your songs. I thought it was a complete load of shite but of course I did not know you had made amends and was in fact working with southern again, so I ignored it all. In the end I thought I better put this right and made a statement on MySpace and face book which stated in was crap, that I had not received a cent and that you would know this was not true I stated I would follow this up with facts and figures to prove my claim and show southern had conned people into believing this. As you probably know the next thing I get is (for want of a better word) a legal gagging order from a top London solicitor telling me to remove the quotes and apologies and stating they would make a claim for damages to southern reputation .How fucking funny is that Crass and southern using the law they hate to silence me defending myself. This letter was sent to my mothers home Steve and caused her great distress at a time I was trying to cure her from breast cancer after having two major operations and endless chemotherapy, that’s why I was not online for a long time and missed all the early warning signs of this sad story I was busy watching my mum get cut and fried. Ok, the facts Steve I NEVER told ANYONE I owned your songs I only signed a list of tracks(which cherry red took from cd covers on mortarhate) that cherry red presented to me stating I owned the rights to release them, this list of course included the conflict covers with you signing that had been out for many years already so I didn’t think for a second you would mind.(I never complain when southern put conflict on comps, or have ever asked for royalties) If I did wrong im sorry but I have NEVER even done a contract before and cherry red were trying to make it easy and less confusing for me(again I adopted what you taught me don’t sign contracts) Cherry red are innocent in this Steve and so am I no one was out to take from you, all I have ever done for you is give and show you support no matter what you do.
    Did it NEVER occur to you or penny or southern as to why I only STOLE the Crass songs that are on Mortarhate? Why did I not take the lot as I apparently knew you would not publish them? Does it not state clearly on all recordings and sales notes songs originally recorded by crass covered by conflict with Steve ignorant? And do you really think ANYONE in the entire music business would think I wrote all those Crass songs anyway (must have been young)
    That in itself is enough Steve let alone the fact that I never received a cent of any money cherry red collected, the advance, which was paid direct to jungle was agreed way before I signed a list of tracks so I didn’t use it to get a figure higher as it was for the amount jungle were owed and no more. So Steve I had not stole tens of thousands of pounds from crass and earnt a mint out of the deal I have not had a penny and never will.
    Another thing you may have forgot, do you not remember me saying to you in the pub at the empire` go see matt at cherry red mate, he will give you the best deal to release the video of the gig they are honest and spot on at accounting` Would I send you to the very person/company that I have ripped you off with knowing matt will again give you a lost of songs for you to sign? Much the very same song. Would I have even dared to do the empire with you knowing that I had fucked you over? You know too well that I didn’t want to even play the empire as mum had a stroke two days before but I didn’t want to let you down with all the shit that was flying around about you.
    Would I have asked you soon after the empire to let me take you and a line up to the states and let conflict support you? I called you lots after the empire but you only got back once and said you were taking time off to come up for air.
    I never contacted Alison or penny regarding this as they did not try ONCE to contact me to ask me what was what; instead they chose to publicly slaughter me and I mention that in my statement which in turn they made me withdraw, in honesty as I said I couldn’t give a toss what they think of me, there’s no love lost im just concerned they don’t have a better option to direct their aggression. I did not contact you as for not for one second did I think you believed it, not for a second and if you did WHY THE FUCK DIDN’T YOU CONTACT ME.? You have my mobiles, my home numbers and my address where you have been made welcome and looked after many times. Why Steve? I don’t get it; if it had been the other way around id have come to you to find out what the fuck you were up to. Instead, I read that article, which I will never ever read again. Steve, I thought you knew me as I have always been there with you through thick and thin, the good times and the not so good and I was the person in my eyes that made you laugh a little. I have stood up for Crass and the ideals for three decades and got the scars to prove it and you know what I wouldn’t change a single thing. I have no idea what has made you turn against me (it must be more than this, as it don’t make sense) and I know I will never get to talk to you again, so you make sure you take good care of yourself and have a FANTASTIC life.
    IF, the time comes when you need me I will be by your side and ready and willing to do whatever, wherever as is necessary. There will come a time when our kind have to do what we have got to do what we got to do so im sure our paths will cross again one day.
    That’s it mate (or not) Goodbye. Colin.
     
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    Re : Crass vs Conflict

    Décevant, mais bon personne n'est infaillible.A remarquer aussi que steve ignorant est quand même au centre du problème sur l'affaire des disques et pour ça aussi.
     
  3. AnarchX

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    On peut avoir une traduction meme rapide ?
    Jai pas tout compris
     
  4. Zaïre

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    En bref, Steve pète encore un plomb, pour une histoire de droits sur des morceaux qui auraient - à tort - été crédités à Conflict à l’occasion de reprises bien qu'il s'agisse certainement d’erreurs de communication/administration...

    Colin adresse donc une lettre - pleine de retenue et de maturité - à Steve pour lui faire part de son désarroi face à ses accusations de vol et surtout de son incompréhension face à cet article publié sur le forum de Southern Rcds. de Steve prenant à partie les membres de Conflict avant même de s'être donné la peine de le contacter au préalable (étant d'anciennes et proches connaissances).

    Le reste c'est des histoires persos et des justifications de la part de CJ quant à la politique interne des labels.
     
  5. anarchOi

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    Re : Crass vs Conflict

    Mouais la guerre entre Conflict et Crass ne date pas d'hier, j'ai tendance à prendre parti pour Colin Jerwood dans cette histoire, mais on lui a aussi reproché d'avoir volé le fric d'un concert qui était supposé être redistribué à tout les groupes (je crois avoir déjà parlé de cet histoire quelque part ici ou sur anarcho-punk.net)... Mais bon c'est des accusations qui viennent de Steve Ignorant et comme il a tendance à tout déformer et exagérer les histoires, on ne sait plus ce qui est vrai et ce qui ne l'est pas....

    L'attitude de CJ n'est certainement pas irréprochable (Oi Polloi ne les aiment pas et en ont déjà parlé dans un interview accordé à Barricata) mais il est certainement plus intègre aux valeurs anarcho-punk que Steve Ignorant l'est aujourd'hui...
     
  6. AnarchX

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    Merci désolé d'avoir remonté un vieux topic mais j'avais vraiment envie de comprendre et je me suis finalement pas trop mal débrouillé à traduire.
     
  7. Zaïre

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    Ah ouais la fameuse partie off-the-record de l'interview :)
     
  8. anarchOi

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    c'est pas vraiment off-the-record :p

    http://contre.propagande.org/pravda/modules/news/article.php?storyid=141
     
  9. Zaïre

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    Ouais y a que ça, le reste n'a pas été enregistré et c'est dommage parce que du coup on a juste: "Je pense que ce qu’ils disent est très bien mais qu’ils ne l’appliquent pas forcément" et pas les arguments qui suivaient.
     
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    Steve Ignorant s'est excusé publiquement à propos de ce qu'il a écrit sur Colin ce soir à son concert de Londres. La guerre semble être finie puisque Colin a même posté des vidéos du spectacle de Steve Ignorant sur ses pages facebook... Drole de revirement de situation
     
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